Hi Steve, not sure if this helps, not even absolutely certain its the same bird! Could have been the paler one (below) calling "See-you" or to my ear "swil-luu", whatever, but really loud and distinctive as against usual su-eet, and yes would not be surprised if it was a juvenile plaintively calling adult.
Whichever, today (no camera), had a similar bird to the one on the (top, L&R) in good view calling swil-luu repeatedly and loud. What is for sure is this is not the usual call or even close.
I have been sorting out birds by contact calls in the field in the autumn for a long time, often in the company of GHR , who first mooted Eastern race when we had one around ten years ago near Strumble.
Bill Oddy wrote a piece in Birdwatching mag' on which I contributed a snippet which is as far as I ever went into it. The esoterics of avian taxonomy is way beyond me, I am a lazy lumper!
There were a lot of birds flitting about at the time (Sunday) and not easy to keep up with in camera screen. Getting views for long enough to really get a good field description is not easy with all the foliage about. I doubt if it makes any difference. I am not interested in submitting but it is interesting, and also great when expert ringers such as yourself get involved in discussion, allthingsgood, cliff
There were a lot of birds flitting about at the time (Sunday) and not easy to keep up with in camera screen. Getting views for long enough to really get a good field description is not easy with all the foliage about. I doubt if it makes any difference. I am not interested in submitting but it is interesting, and also great when expert ringers such as yourself get involved in discussion, allthingsgood, cliff
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